C O M M E N T S
From: email@example.com ("Martyn Dryden")
Classic fan items as well as invaluable references. (Vol 1 lists all the
official releases BTW.) I'd rate these above all other books except Miles'
and NDOPP. They contain only 100% pure facts, many of them unobtainable
elsewhere, nobody's stupid opinions (why pay for them, I've got my own), no
From: firstname.lastname@example.org (David Demery)
Each volume is A4 sized, and contains around 200 pages. The books
essentially break down into Vol. I - vinyl, Vol. II - CDs & cassettes,
Vol. III - bootlegs, Vol. IV - live dates, plus updates to Vols. I to III.
The books were put together by a group of German fans, so the English is
not perfect (but what do you expect?). The books are essentially `hand-
made', and in many instances the entries are merely copied from the
album covers, as are the visuals. However, where these books do score
is in the coverage of obscure releases -- Promos, special editions,
pressings from around the World, different cover art, etc. Whilst
I have heard that a lot of this information is ripped off from Zappalog,
while that book remains out of print, the Torchum books do fill a gap.
Volume IV contains a list of Zappa concerts over the years (not complete!),
but does not contain set-lists; however, you could work some of them out
by using the bootleg sections to find out what was played.
You can get them from some book/CD shops here in Europe. I bought my
own copies from Medium Music Books in Munster (that's u umlaut, folks),
Germany. Details are:
Medium Music Books
D-48143 Munster ---- remember the umlaut!
When I bought my copies one year ago, the price was DM. 29.80 per volume,
without postage, so that's about $80 (in total) plus whatever they would
charge to send them to you. I have no idea about what they accept as
payment methods -- I used Eurocheques -- so US and other overseas people
should ask them about that.
I'm sure Barfko-Swill know exactly what these books are; however, they
were not Zappa-endorsed, so they're hardly likely to help you. Since
the books were meant to be done as a non-profit making exercise, one
wonders what FZ would complain about, after all, they were books made
by fans for other fans -- the person who stood to benefit most from their
existence was FZ!
From: Ale Mail <email@example.com>
In actual fact, the books made a loss for the Torchum Team (Reinhard and
Willi, plus Peter the printer), which is a great shame considering the
amount of time and effort put into them (having helped print/collate/bind
these by hand, I can appreciate it!).
We presented Frank with a signed set (number #1 - they were limited to
2000) via Dweezil at the Yellow Shark gigs at Frankfurt. Frank apparently
read them and no writ was forthcoming from SheWhoCannotBeNamed so I guess
he wasn't too upset by them (compared with his apopleptic fit pover Viva
They are full of errors, but one has to bear in mind that the information
came from many sources, not all of which are reliable or verifiable. Plus
the fact that they were produced by a couple of Zappaphiles for whom English
is not their first language (and in the case of the first couple of volumes)
typed up on a manual typewriter by Willi. Tanking this into cosideration I
think they did a good job. The books are still essential to fans, though they
could have been improved by the inclusion of 'reviews' of the material
On the subject of Boots, a lot of thought was out into whether or not to
include them and risk the Wrath of Gail. In the end they decide that to omit
mention of them would be a great dissrevice, and they got round the 'moral'
problems by refusing to 'grade' bootlegs, comment on their quality or
recommend any (in fact, we went as far as including a caveat saying that we
did not think bootlegs were worth the money, and that we recommended that
anyone who wanted to buy a bootleg should buy ALL of the official stuff
before even thinking about bootlegs - something I still stand by today).
Anyway, go buy them. They're fun and a useful reference. I'd love to
see a second edition, but last time I spoke to Reinhard, he was running
away screaming at the suggestion. If you read this, Reinhard, (or if John
passes it on), give it a thought. I'll DTP it for you...
Final word - buy them if you see them.
Dirk Manuel - firstname.lastname@example.org Vox: (010) 32.2.674.4247
From: email@example.com (John V. Scialli)
I faxed Reinhard Preuss who runs Muffin Records Productions Ltd
(Austin USA) and who was a major member of the Torchum Team (an
offshoot of the Arf Society). I sent him this thread and his response
The above from Dr. John, the below from Reinhard Preuss:
Well, I'm out of this and I don't know how to get them, it was
difficult to get the one set for Jason, I did give him just a favor.
Frank received these books through Dweezil, Ahmet, Moon and Gail in
Frankfurt at the SHARK concerts. We never heard a comment about it. I
just know that Frank mentioned the exact number of bootleg vinyl,
CD's, etc. once in a radio interview, which I have somewhere on tape,
just can't remember which one it is. But I could find it. It is an
interview he gave after the Shark concert, about 1 year later ('93).
Never before (as far as I can say that) has Frank mentioned any
numbers of bootlegs, he just talked about bootlegs in general. So I
figured he had looked into the books pretty closely and I imagine he
sorta liked them.
OF COURSE - there are a lotsa mistakes and errors, the layout could be
much better, actually EVERYTHING. But - would Frank or the family ever
accept them? It would look professional and commercial! What you have
in your hands is made by hand only (page by page) and made by fans
without a thought about profit (indeed, we actually lost 30.000.--)
and was a dammm big load of work which I never want to repeat
Everything is done with pure handwork, so it's printed on a 1 colour
printmachine, bound, cut, etc. etc. etc. etc.etc. etc all by hand. We
walked for many miles around the room to get the pages collected
<collated he may mean> by hands! Oh well.
I faxed your message [ see Dirk Manuel comments above ]
to Herr Preuss and Reinhard replied:
Interesting mail from Dirk Manuel regarding the TTNS books. You can
bet that I still will run away screaming if he or anybody else comes
up with the suggestion to start a second edition. Nice compliment, no
doubt - but I do it never never again, in the meanwhile I'm getting to
be 41 years old and there are too many other things left I like to do
during my lifetime and I have no thought to repeat this TORTURE again
for a few years. The books are named THE TORCHUM NEVER STOPS, because
THE TORCHUM NEVER STOPS. At least vol. 3 of this is still perfectly
updated, nothing has changed (or barely anything) since we have
released it, but the bootleg himmel has grown and all. Besides that -
MRP does still release stuff too........
No - thanks! That's it. I have no intention to try to get the
permission of ZFT, indeed I think there would never be a one available
for something like this. We were lucky enough to get NOT in trouble
for this, which I do appreciate and it has reached its goal to inform
people and bring Frank the benefit of our work.
I, for one, do NOT want to lose more money and time on this than I did
already. Dirk said already before vol. 4 was finished that he likes to
see a second edition of it - go ahead Dirk! He knows how many times we
had to spend just for getting the pages together, we walked many
miles for it daily. Besides all that, if we would give a print company
the order to do it, it would cost 480.000 DM (German Marks), we did
all by ourselves for 130.000 and still lost 40.000 out of that budget.
That may give you a good idea.
Anyhow - thanks for the proposal, but it's not me.
Muffin Records Productions USA
From: firstname.lastname@example.org (David Smith)
I only have Volume 2. It seems that there is some sort of continuous page
numbering scheme that proceeds from volume to volume - Volume 2 appears
to begin at page 170 and end at page 330, depending upon how you count.
I'd need to obtain the other volumes or defer to others to correctly
resolve the page numbering.
Vol.2 - Index
PAGE 1 * "You Got Book Nr."
PAGE 2 * ERROR ???
PAGE 3 * Thank's Again
PAGE 4 * Intro & ATTENTION !!
PAGE 5 * INDEX VOL. 2
PAGE 6 * A View To Volume 1, 3, & 4
continuing Pages from " THE TURCHUM NEVER STOPS " - VOL.1
PAGE 169 * CD-VIEW
170 * CD-INTRODUCTION
171 * CD->LIST<
172 - 208 * CD'S +
+ extra Pages * " The Best Band you never heard in your Life "
* " You can't do that on Stage anymore VOL.4 "
* " Make a Jazz Noise Here "
* " Beat the Boots "
* " Ship arriving too late "
+ * LATE ARRIVEL - MC'S !!!!
PAGE 210 * 3" CD-SINGLES & CD-MAXI'S
211 - 212 * CD-PROMOS
213 * CD'S - VARIOUS ARTISTS
214 - 217 * MC'S ->LIST< & Introduction
218 * MC - SAMPLER & PROMO
219 * US - 4 TRACK TAPES-REELS & CARTRIDE's
220 - 221 * `FILMOGRAPHIE' (Films by FZ)
222 - 237 * VIDEOS (by FZ)
239 - 258 * SONGLIST
260 - 263 * LABLES (by FZ)
264 * FUT'CHA
266 - 269 * `ZAPPAESKEN' - SINGLES
270 - 278 * `ZAPPAESKEN' - >LIST<
279 * `ZAPPAESKEN' - BANDS' (Bands wich playin FZ-Music #
- will be continued in VOL.4)
280 - 282 * `ZAPPAESKEN' - ORCHESTRA (FZ Music played by others)
283 - 302 * `ZAPPAESKEN' - RECORDS
304 - 305 * `GOOGLY MOOGLY' ->LIST<
306 - 325 * `GOOGLY MOOGLY' - RECORDS
326 - 328 * DWEEZIL ZAPPA - SINGLES / MAXIS /
PROMO / Various Artists
329 * DWEEZIL ZAPPA - LP's
one more for the WORLD !!
* DWEEZIL ZAPPA - LP " CONFESSIONS "